If the Jaredites arrived in the New World, not in 2600 BC as the popular model goes, but around 8,000 BC, then they would have been there at the same time as horses. I don’t know, but viewing the beginnings of the Jaredite story in an older time period makes the Lord’s promise of a land better than all others even more powerful, in my opinion. Live alongside American mammoths, mastodon, giant sloths, gomphotheres, horses, and other “especially” “useful” animals. Besides this grain, they’ve also found evidence of emmer, barley, pistachios, and almonds at the site. South America Cordillera Figure 1: Map of giant reports in North America. This especially could have been an extinct giant bison, Bison antiquus, that roamed the plains of America and was hunted by humans around 10,000 years ago. He explains that he “knew not that the Lord had flesh and blood.” It makes you wonder what he expected the Lord to look like. I don’t know if Phelps was right, but the Folsom tradition provides an archaeologically-known group of people in North America that coincides in time and place with the proposed Gobekli-Jaredites, especially if they arrived in the great lakes area, as Joseph Smith said. The Jaredites were beekeepers to some extent (Ether 2:3). Now, remember—this is just a hypothesis. “Jaredites” are descendants of Jared, not descendants of his brother or the friends who came with them. Mammoths could have easily been present in North America at the time of the Jaredites (the only time that elephants are mentioned in the Book of Mormon). Gobekli Tepe would require that the Jaredites left the Old World around 10,000 years ago, instead of 4500 years ago. locations for the Jaredites. Jaredites had a true civilization from about. The Book of Mormon Jaredite King List gives only 7 exact dates (lifespans and reigns) for the Jaredite Chronology. I’m not a funded researcher, or publishing anything in a book or scientific journal–it’s a free WordPress site with ads and a weird URL. While this may be hard given our prevailing paradigm, it may be exactly what we need to reconcile science and scripture and the words of Joseph Smith. The Yeredim came to “the lake country” of North America by way of the North Atlantic. There are four commonly proposed. %PDF-1.4 Archaeologists now agree there was a civilization at the time of the Jaredites. In North America scholars have given them the … The book of Ether is usually assumed to cover a period of around 2,000 years (about twice that of the Nephite history). If the Jaredites left the great tower close to 8,000 BC or earlier, they likely wouldn’t have had the technology to build boats with sails, since nobody else in the world had the technology either. The person who believes Phoenicians/North Africans came to South America believes these people came at about the time Lehi and party arrived, possibly earlier. » Jaredites In North America | The products (services) offered by Wayne May are neither made, provided, approved nor endorsed by Intellectual Reserve, … 1500 to 300 B.C. Moroni explained he was abridging the record of the people “in this north country,” the area where he lived in western New York. Hunter-gatherer groups are notably egalitarian. Perhaps coincidentally, the North Pacific current takes about the same time to cross from Japan to Mexico (Sorenson, p. 111). That means for at least 400 years the Nephites, the Mulekites, and the Jaredites all lived on the same continent together. North America, for example, has 474 indigenous species of mammals, 11 and Mesoamerica has a large majority of these species within its borders. Ether 2:3-4 implies that the area arround this great tower was replete with wild things to eat; therefore adding a depth of support to the Gobekli-Jaredite hypothesis. One source says “the Indo-European branch of languages can be traced both to Anatolia and to a timeframe which overlaps with the aceramic Neolithic era.” Another source identifies the ancestor of many languages to be in Anatolia around 9 ka, so it is possible that many of the world’s languages can trace their origins to the temple at Gobekli Tepe. But even still, the Book of Mormon actually never says that all the people in the world or at the great tower spoke the same language. This was just at the beginning of the birth of agriculture and civilization, so there weren’t many other options. Archaeologists now agree there was a civilization at the time of the Jaredites. Scientists say it didn’t appear until around 5,000 years ago. They remind me of books that came out around the time of The DiVinci Code – like The Hiram Key – that would start with an assumption and then attempt to cram every possible event they could think of from the past to “support” their hypothesis. Mounting Evidence for The Book of Mormon. Although the presence of the Tower of Babel in the Book of Mormon would definitely be a problem, the truth is that the name “Tower of Babel” never actually appears in the Book of Mormon. I’m not claiming divine inspiration or anything–just having fun (but I’m definitely not “goofin’ with people”). Led by God, the Jaredites left their homeland for a new land somewhere in the Americas, and there they … However, it is clear from Ether that the Jaredites built boats that had no sails. Sources of Information. 1:10)–the name Ulisum has been found in ancient texts in Olum Hoyuk, Turkey. Months were counted in the days between phase cycles of the moon. The Traditional View. He does not ask for burnt offerings, or for an Abrahamic-like covenant. Rick, I appreciate your comment. With Gobekli Tepe seemingly being the place where agriculture began, it makes sense the Jaredites would be headed that route as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3731342/#:~:text=simple%20relaxation%20model.-,Introduction,years%20ago)%20%5B1%5D. Obviously he couldn’t receive a real endowment in a fake temple from a monolithic god. Built by hunter-gatherers around 10,000 years ago in modern Turkey, Gobekli Tepe has been identified as the first temple ever built. We usually assume this event happened before the Jaredite story. some instances say “son” in one place, but “descendant” in another), it’s because of these discrepancies that we cannot know for certain how much time passed between ancestor and descendant or supposed father and son. Sep 2, 2016 - Explore Ricardo Garcia's board "Jaredites and the giants in America" on Pinterest. And indeed there is a valley immediately to the north of the world’s first temple (fun fact: Gobekli Tepe is aligned true north, and is the oldest known megalithic structure to be so). The Jaredites are a people described in the book of Ether (see Book of Mormon: Book of Ether) whose name derives from their first leader, Jared. If the Jaredites left Gobekli Tepe as late as 10,000 years ago, they would have been a bit early for the 9,000-year mark for domesticated bees, but it’s still not impossible that they were among the first peoples to “carry with them swarms of bees” for honey on the go (Ether 2:3). This may be coincidence, but it could also be a clue to the true location of the great tower. If you start in Florida, you could end up anywhere from Washington State to Maine. Thus, the Jaredites finding them “especially” “useful” could indicate a much older departure date from the great tower than 2600 BC (Ether 9:18-19). It’s a wild speculation, but moving a giant ice chunk “mountain” seems more likely than an ordinary mountain made of rocks. While these other Gentiles and Israelite tribes probably didn’t have any Jaredite ancestry, they likely did descend from people present at Gobekli Tepe, since religion, agriculture, and possibly civilization seemed to originate there. Ether recounts that the Jaredites arrived in the promised land with around “twenty and two souls”, not counting Jared, his brother, and their families (Ether 6:16). ... " or "Two-Continent" model proposes that Book of Mormon lands stretch many thousands of miles over much of South and North America. While we are given some conflicting information about some of these relationships above (i.e. After the extinction of the megafauna in North America, things began to look mostly like they do today: void of elephants, giant things, and lions. "And now I, Moroni, proceed to give an account of those ancient inhabitants who were destroyed by the hand of the Lord upon the face of this North Country." Also, note that the first generation of Jaredites are never said to create a city. Was it a strong wind that also helped to bury it? This puts it in the realm of the Adena civilization who were present in the area at this time. Maybe Noah’s flood was local and was a result of the ending Ice Age? All people were hunters, as Nimrod was. The word Mulekite, after Mulek, is commonly used to refer to his group. Also, they say the whole story is a myth anyway and was based on a ziggurat built by the Babylonians around 800 BC—much later than the assumed departure date of the Jaredites (~2600 BC). The Jaredites crossed the sea to the New World in eight "barges" in 344 days, driven by currents and winds. This is the problem of prophets vs scholars. Being ancient hunter-gatherers, they probably believed that the gods were unembodied spirits that looked like animals (perhaps like the animals carved into the pillars at Gobekli Tepe); or that deities were giant, T-shaped, pillar-like humanoids with weird, blank, or bull-like faces (like the massive stone pillars at Gobekli Tepe). And if this theory is true, then God has been lovingly interacting with humans–our ancient ancestors; the people who made us possible–for far longer than we thought. I mean, these languages did have 8,000+ years to spread and evolve around the Anatolia-Mesopotamian region. The Jaredites were descendants of Jared, his brother, and other righteous people of their family. The place from whence the Jaredites came is only referred to as “the great tower” or “the tower” (Mosiah 28:17, Hel. Perhaps Nimrod’s title is a clue to the time period in which “the great tower” was built (Mosiah 28:17). Scientists have speculated that the ancient temple also served as a place for hunter-gatherers to, as one writer put it, “meet up, trade information, exchange goods, find marriage partners, share life hacks and make friends who could help out later in a pinch.” This is especially interesting considering Jared and his brother were particularly concerned for “their friends” at the great tower, knowing the Lord was going to confound their language and scatter them around the earth (see Ether 1:36-38). Whatever “confounding” means here, thinking of the Jaredites as leaving from a real Gobekli Tepe around 10,000 years ago, when modes of human communication were still developing, works far better than leaving from a mythical Tower of Babel 4,200 years ago. When the temple was built, this valley would have been very lush, with all sorts of wildlife and game. http://exhibits.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/larson/sloth.html#:~:text=All%20four%20species%20of%20ground%20sloth%20became%20extinct%20in%20North,is%20being%20studied%20by%20paleontologists. And while they do “till the earth” in the promised land (Ether 6:13, 18), cities are not mentioned in the Jaredite record until the reign of Coriantum, at least 6 generations from Jared (Ether 9:23). I don’t want you to cease writing this blog. See more ideas about giants, ancient aliens, mystery of history. Crystal, Glass, and Diamond Worlds of Fire. Jaredites self-destructed in a major civil war. The Jaredites date to the time of the "great tower" mentioned in the Old Testament (Gen. 11:1-9), which was built in or around Mesopotamia. Jared, his Brother and their Friends, January 2010 2. God, I think, is more mindful than we usually believe Him to be. The first evidence for watercraft with sails appears in Egypt around 3300 BC. Later, Aaron, “a descendant” of a different Heth, appears on the record (see Ether 1:16, 10:31). %�쏢 The Jaredites are a group of people who left the middle east area at the time of the Tower of Babel. Around 12,800 years ago, an extraterrestrial body struck the earth in the northern ice sheets, causing extensive wildfires and glacial flooding across North America, as well as massive sea level rise all over the world. C. The Golden Plates revealed to Joseph that the Jaredites lived upon this land shortly after the tower of Babel, 2200 to 2000 B.C. Moroni explained he was abridging the record of the people "in this north country," the area where he lived in western New York. As far as I can tell (from my super limited understanding), it seems like the only reason everyone wants Ur to be in Iraq is because they think the Tower of Babel has to be in Babylonia. He doesn’t task him with establishing a church or performing baptisms. So, according to the Hebrew, an actual super-tall tower for “the great tower” isn’t a requirement, because a simple hill used for great things could suffice–such was Gobekli Tepe. And indeed, Urfa is about 8 miles from Gobekli Tepe. Which, to me, is the most beautiful thing I’ve learned from researching this whole thing. If you are looking for plausible evidence of the Jaredites and Nephi... tes in North America from 3000 BC to 500 AD, you will find all sorts of information by reputable archaeologists and scientists. The place where the near-10,000-year-old crystal-hunting evidence was found is on the Oberalpstock mountain in the Swiss Alps. If the Jaredites left from Gobekli Tepe around 10,000 years ago, they may have been associated with the Folsom tradition, a group of people that thrived in North America from about 9 ka to 4.5 ka. Big Bang, Evolution, Dinosaurs, and Joseph Smith. ( Log Out /  This does not necessarily mean that the Jaredites brought these animals with them overseas, but coming from 8,000-BC Anatolia, it is possible that the Jaredites could have had domesticated goats and sheep, or at least early forms of these creatures in the beginning stages of domestication. I do believe that the Book of Mormon is true, that the Jaredites were a real group of people, and that their story actually began at a great tower somewhere. The Jaredites. In North America scholars have given them the name "Adena," after property where remains were found. 2. But now we have to wonder, how did a symbol from the 10-12 thousand year-old temple in Turkey end up in 3000-year-old Olmec art in Mexico? Ultimately, however, the Phoenician network began to wane during the sixth century BC allowing other powers such as the … Sumerian roots can be found in many Jaredite names–which is to be expected if the great tower was in Mesopotamia around 2600 BC. In the book’s long included list of kings, there are four instances where a father-to-son relationship is not specified, but rather the equivocal term “descendant” is used. Much like yourself, the authors would us enough factual history (mingled with said goop) to lead people along until some people would say “hum, maybe this is true!” This is a technique still used today by everyone from TV’s Ancient Aliens to Alex Jones, both of whom are very successful at delivering #&X@ in mass quantities. One scholar has even pointed out that it’s not clear that the Jaredites were even Christian. Like I said, I am open to other suggestions. “Because of this theory,” he wrote, “some members of the Church have become confused and greatly disturbed in their faith in the Book of Mormon.” And remember that in the beginning of the book of Ether, Moroni says, “I give not the full account, but a part of the account I give, from the tower down until they were destroyed” (Ether 1:5); and at the conclusion he says, “[T]he hundredth part [of Ether’s record] I have not written” (Ether 15:33), admitting that he was doing some very heavy abridging to a very large story. For som interesting Jaredite chronologies, see: 2600 BC start: “Early Jewish and Christian traditions reported that Nimrod built the Tower of Babel, referred to as a pagan temple, in an attempt to contact heaven.”: Languages likely diverged around 10-15 ka: World population estimated 5M in 8000 BC: Mammoth and Mastodon extinctions, 10.9-11.5 ka: Giant sloths went extinct in North America “approximately 10,000 years ago”. They were at the mercy of the waves, winds, and currents as they crossed the “great deep” to the promised land. (It is well established that Mastodons and other megafauna went extinct in North America at about 8,000 BC.) Hunter-gathers wanted to climb hills and mountains to “touch the sky” or heaven–compare that with the people  who ventured to build a tower “sufficiently high that they might get to heaven” (Helaman 6:28); see minute 48 or so of: Of course, D&C 107:52-656 implies that the Lord showed Himself to Adam and some of his posterity. They were led by Jared and his brother (Mohonri Moriancumer), and the group included family and friends of Jared and his brother. Now, these books were fun to read. Be close in time to North American glacial floods and cataclysms that may have spurred the stories of Noah’s flood. Our scriptures suggest that Olishem must have been close to Ur, Abraham’s hometown. In 1832, W. W. 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