If the real Nephi of 2 Nephi 25:23 does not “stand up” in the hearts and minds of Latter-day Saints, then we are going to continue to suffer from the same unacknowledged exegetical problem that has plagued us for more than a generation, damaged the otherwise sturdy soteriological bridge between the Book of Mormon and the New Testament, and constructed an unnecessary and foolish barrier between us and many non-Mormon … Nephi’s statement “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23) has been the source of much discussion among Latter-day Saints. Tag: 2 Nephi 25:23 After “all” the Bishop Could Do, it Wasn’t Enough. Thus works alone cannot save us; grace is an absolute prerequisite. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. But a certain amount of works (i.e., the best we have to offer) are necessary to trigger God’s grace and mercy. “Thus, the correct sense of ”2 Ne. Rather, we seek His grace to complement and reward our most diligent efforts (see 2 Nephi 25:23). Hey Friends! . 91-92). After whom is the king of Israel come out? Ellipsis in original). 1. This meaning is apparent from the fact that none of us actually does all he can do (p. 125). 2 Nephi 31:5-12. Robinson is correct that “none of us actually does all he can do.” This seems to be the crux of the matter and the reason why he wishes to change the meaning of the word “after.” When commentators have a doubt about the way a biblical verse ought to be understood, the original Greek and Hebrew can be studied to determine a passage’s meaning. 20-27 2 Nephi 2:24 All Things Have Been Done in the Wisdom of Him Who Knoweth All Things. 2 Nephi Chapter 25 « Previous Next » ... 2 Ne 25:23-30 . . He looked at me and smiled. I’m here to share my Note Sheet and Scripture Signs for 2 Nephi 11-25. 2 Nephi 25:23-26. According to the English dictionary contemporary with Joseph Smith and the production of the Book of Mormon, the meaning of “after” as a preposition has the following meanings: After I have arisen, I will go before you into Galilee. Consider the other citations where Lee referenced this verse: “‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ (2 Nephi 25:23.) As we continue to study Nephi and Isaiah this week- there are several excellent topics for lessons. . (Harold B. Lee, Stand Ye in Holy Places: Selected Sermons and Writings of President Harold B. Lee, pp. At a recent church meeting where I spoke about The Miracle of Forgiveness evangelistic approach described in a chapter found in Sharing the Good News with Mormons (Kregel, 2018), two young male LDS missionaries approached my table and we began to talk. Doesn’t the book of James say that “faith without works is dead”? I showed her the argument made by Robinson and asked for her opinion. ☼ 2 Nephi 25:21–22: Wherefore, for this cause hath the Lord God promised unto me that these things which I write shall be kept and preserved, and handed down unto my seed, from generation to generation, that the promise may be fulfilled unto Joseph, that his seed should never perish as long as the earth should stand. 7-8). The name Jacob is explained as "supplanter" in the King James Bible of Genesis 27:36 (compare Genesis 25:23-26), but could just as easily be read "successor" or "replacement," since Jacob replaced Esau as firstborn and received the birthright and the blessing (see Genesis 25:29-34; 27:22-40). The sense is that apart from all we can do, it is ultimately by the grace of Christ that we are saved. According to; as, consider a thing after its intrinsic value. The idea that “after” means “in spite of” may very well have originated with BYU professor Stephen E. Robinson. This meaning fits the definition of time and is a natural meaning of this verse. Cited in The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, p. 186). By his grace, we live and breathe. In the Old and New Testaments most of the people of Israel failed to understand and properly observe the law of Moses, which had been given to help them learn about Christ and come unto Him. Come Unto Christ. 2 Nephi 25:23 in Literary and Rhetorical Context Daniel O. McClellan For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. 1 Samuel 24:8. It denotes logical separateness rather than temporal sequence. 2 Nephi 25:23 For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. It may be regarded as the ‘Mormon’ contribution to views of the Atonement of Christ, for it is to be found no where else except in Mormon literature.’ The perfect relationship between the atoning grace of Christ and the obedient efforts of mankind is powerfully stated by Nephi: ‘We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). 2 Nephi 25:23 “For we labor d iligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Apostle Boyd K. Packer agreed with “after” as referencing a preposition of time, saying, “Even that grace of God promised in the scriptures comes only ‘after all we can do’” (“The Brilliant Morning of Forgiveness,” Ensign, November 1995 (Conference Edition), p. 19). LDS 2 Nephi 25:23 Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Hammster, Aug 2, 2016. Based on what Burton said, the phrase “after all we can do” as described in 2 Nephi 25:23 is a direct reference to “individual salvation,” also known as exaltation, eternal life, and godhood. Other leaders have agreed with Lee’s interpretation of the verse, including: Apostle David A. Bednar (after citing 2 Nephi 25:23): “Certainly, ‘we believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel’ (Articles of Faith 1:3)” (David A. Bednar, “Therefore They Hushed Their Fears,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2015, p. 49). The way too simple / easy and represents Jesus Christ. Why did most not look at the Brass serpent that would save them and what did the Brass serpent represent? Callister’s explanation correlates with the traditional interpretation of 2 Nephi 25:23, which is works are definitely needed and salvation does not come by grace alone. 2. Doctrine and Covenants / Pearl of Great Price, Mormon Objections to Christian Evangelism, Teachings of the Presidents of the Church. I recently asked an Evangelical, “how is one saved?” he replied, “through grace.” When I inquired what that meant, he further explained that when you accept Christ and repent, you are saved by grace. The Lord will bless us to the degree to which we keep His commandments. To walk after the flesh; to live after the flesh. To follow after in scripture, is to pursue, or imitate; to serve, or worship. 2 Nevertheless, Jacob, my firstborn in the wilderness, thou knowest the greatness of God; and he shall consecrate thine a afflictions for thy gain. Furthermore, we are invited to ‘come unto Christ, and be perfected in him.’ When we deny ourselves ‘of all ungodliness,’ then and only ‘then is his grace sufficient’ for us (Moroni 10:32)” (“Plain and Precious Truths Restored,” Ensign, October 2006, p. 53. Not once have I found a general authority agreeing with the notion that “after all we can do” is the same as “in spite of all we can do,” as this missionary was telling me. While Robinson and other Latter-day Saints might like the idea that they are “saved by grace” “in spite of” all they can do, this has not been the view of LDS leaders throughout the history of the church. « Previous 2 Nephi 25 Next » “After all we can do” means clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, visiting the sick and giving “succor [to] those who stand in need of [our] succor” (Mosiah 4:15)—remembering that what we do unto one of the least of God’s children, we do unto Him (see Matthew 25:34-40; D&C 42:38). See quote from President Ezra Taft Benson, Institute Manual, 94. Reading the Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Lesson 9 reminded me of a talk I gave back when I was in high school. The House of Israel will be redeemed in the Millenial day. Romans 8:1. “After all we can do” means leading chaste, clean, pure lives, being scrupulously honest in all our dealings and treating others the way we would want to be treated (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 354. 2 Nephi 25:26 by LDS Scripture of the Day | posted in: Book of Mormon | 0 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. 2 Nephi 25:23-26. “We are saved by grace according to all we can do”—even if this fit, it still would contradict Robinson’s interpretation. One of the missionaries (elders) looked at me and exclaimed, “Isn’t that a great verse? Don’t you let anyone try to persuade you to any other doctrine than that. The phrases “the manner of the Jews” is the same in John 19:40 and, “works of darkness” is same in Romans 13:12 . 2 Nephi 31:17-21. (2 Nephi 25:23, 26) There is no other way to be saved than through the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. “We are saved by grace behind in place after all we can do”—this doesn’t fit. According to the direction and influence of. Annotation for 2 Ne 25:23-30 above 30 And, inasmuch as it shall be expedient, ye must keep the performances and ordinances of God until the law shall be fulfilled which was given unto Moses. According to Nephi, are we saved by grace or by works? 2 Nephi 23:19-23 Babylon . When it comes to support of “preposition of time,” the second definition seems to fit. I love 2 Nephi 25:23- 'That it is by Grace that we are saved'- such a great lesson for this week! 2 Nephi 25:23. Your generous support makes the work of MRM possible. 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